Embarking On My Biggest 'Project' Yet, And How I'm Preparing For It!

Curious about what’s been happening with my HMO businesses? 

In this episode, I’m excited to bring you up to speed on my HMO portfolio, development business, and trading groups. I’ll cover how I managed my HMO properties over the summer, share some special news, and talk about any challenges I've encountered with property deals. 

Plus, I’ll update you on my development projects and discuss the importance of community engagement and building partnerships. 

As I prepare for these upcoming changes, I’ll also highlight how crucial good time management and planning have become.

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Transcript

Andy Graham (00:02.67)

Hey, I'm Andy and you're listening to the HMO Podcast. Over 10 years ago, I set myself the challenge of building my own property portfolio. And what began as a short -term investment plan soon became a long -term commitment to change the way young people live together. I've now built several successful businesses. I've raised millions of pounds of investment and I've managed thousands of tenants. Join me and some very special guests to discover the tips, tricks and hacks, the ups and the downs, the best practice and everything else you need to know to start, scale and systemise your very own HMO portfolio now.

Andy Graham (00:40.718)

I think it's about time that I brought you up to speed and told you exactly what's been going on in my businesses over the last couple of months. My last update was back in July and it's fair to say that quite a bit has been going on since then. So today I'm going to bring you up to speed and let you know what's been happening in my HMO portfolio, across my development business and of course, across my trading groups. All the stuff that's keeping me very, very busy. Today I've also got some very special news that I'm going to share with you on the podcast that I think is going to change pretty much everything for me and Gemma as we move forward. So, if you want to know what's been going on, how I've been managing the juggle, what's been going well and what's not been going so well, maybe you just want to be nosy or maybe you just want to make sure that I'm not just here on the podcast talking the talk, that I am actually out there walking the walk. Well, make sure you stick around. Please sit back, relax and enjoy today's episode of the HMO podcast.

Hey guys, it's Andy here. We're going to be getting back to the podcast in just a moment, but before we do, I want to tell you very quickly about the HMO roadmap. Now, if you're serious about replacing your income, or perhaps you've already got a HMO portfolio that you want to scale up, then the HMO roadmap really is your one-stop shop. Inside the roadmap, you'll find a full 60 lesson course delivered by me, teaching you how to find more deals, how to fund more deals and raise private finance, how to refurbish great properties, how to fill them with great tenants that stay for longer, and how to manage your properties and tenants for the future. 

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Andy Graham (02:39.79)

Okay, welcome back gang. So today is a business update and I'm going to bring you up to speed and let you know exactly what's been happening across the HMO portfolio, across my development business, across the trading groups. And I said, I've got some really exciting news to share, which I'm going to come on to shortly. The last couple of months have been a good couple of months, I would say on the whole, I managed to get a lot of really good work done as a company, as a group. We've managed to execute on a lot of the really important stuff that we wanted to do this year. And I find Summers a really good opportunity to do that.

Back in July and early July, probably just before I did my last business update, we managed the student changeover. So we get all of the new tenants in, the old tenants out. We do the inventory, the inspections, lots of paperwork, deposits, lots of maintenance. And it's a big body of work and it takes up quite a lot of time planning it and then executing it really, really well. And then I find things start to settle down. Tenants tend to go quiet, go off on holiday. I find that everybody else kind of goes off on holiday as well. The out of offices are on, aren't they? 

And, I think it's a really great opportunity to get some work done. So I actually use the summer period to really execute on things that we've been planning earlier in the year. And that is exactly what I've done this year. And I think we've done really, really well in actually making sure that we've hit some targets and actually hit some deadlines. And that will take us through the rest of the year. We're going to use that momentum to carry us through autumn and then winter, because I like anybody else get a little bit tired through autumn and winter is the dark night setting. You know, it's just harder to find that motivation and that drive and enthusiasm. 

You know, like anybody, my enthusiasm and energy for it all does wax and wane through the year. And I find that through the summer months, long days when the blue skies are there, it's just a little bit easier. And I use that energy to really drive the businesses forward. And actually I'm not too hard on myself through other parts of the year. When I do want to take a bit of a step back, I don't want to slog it out all of the time. So that is exactly what I've been doing, what we've been doing over the last couple of months.

And on the whole, it's gone really, really well. I'm really pleased with the overall performance and I'm really pleased with the balance that I've had across summer. I've really managed to prioritise my health and fitness. I've got a lot of training in Gemma and I managed to get away to Spain for a couple of weeks. We had a wonderful two weeks down on the Costa del Sol. We stayed at a beautiful hotel. We ate great food. We just chilled out by the pool every day. It was so nice and exactly what we needed and absolutely exactly what Gemma needed.

Andy Graham (05:02.252)

So a great great summer and I'm looking forward to the rest of the year for other reasons, but on the whole, just reflecting it's been a good few months. Now I think what I'll do today is start with the news, the personal news that I said I had to share with you today, because this is actually going to frame and provide a lot of context to the rest of the year and not just the rest of the year, but the rest of time. So if any of you follow me on Instagram, I know a lot of you do. You'll probably already know this because you'll have seen a few photos, but Gemma and I.

I'm incredibly excited because we're expecting our first child. So baby G is due at the end of January. We're so excited. Jim had a 20 week scan not too long ago. Baby G is really healthy, all good. And I suppose now we're in planning phase, a little bit sort of panic phase as well, because this is all completely new to us. But don't get me wrong. We had a plan. We got married last year. We wanted to start a family. And for me, this is absolutely all part of the bigger picture. 

So as much as I enjoy work and building the businesses, it has never just been about building businesses and it's never been about just material goals for me at all. I definitely wanted to create that type of life and future for ourselves and was so, so, so excited, but there's no doubt that it is going to change everything. And everybody keeps reminding me as well. So like anything I do in business and in life, I want to be as well as I possibly can now. 

I know you guys who already have kids are just thinking, Whoa, Andy, you have no idea what is around the corner. And I know you guys are right. So we're just doing what we can. Any advice, please let me know. But yeah, we're sort of in planning phase now. So we're expecting Baby G at the end of January, which gives us a few months yet, hopefully to get everything ready. But just to kind of complicate things, let me take you back a little bit. Cause in my last business update, I told you that I had got an offer accepted on a new property. 

It was a property that Gemma and I were buying for ourselves. So it was time for us to move away from Sheffield, where I've been for a long, long time. We're moving up to North Yorkshire, a little bit closer to our family support network. That was always part of a plan, but actually we, in fact, the day that we got the offer on that house accepted was, I think the day that we found out Gemma was pregnant. So it kind of all happened at once, but not necessarily by intention. Of course, the seller of that house.

Andy Graham (07:24.416)

Who was an older gentleman and his estate was being sort of handled by his family at that point. But actually he passed away. It was very shortly after we made the offer and it became a probate sale. So all of a sudden it went from something that we were going to do quite quickly to something that was potentially going to take several months. And actually, as I record this today, the certificate of probate has been applied for, but I've no idea where in that process it is. So my best guess is we'll probably complete on that property around January time. And if you've got a good memory.

Extra points for any of you who have remembered this. It was a bit of a project. It's a bit of a do or up or a muster tenors disdain. I just couldn't bring myself to buy something that we were going to walk into. It's a massive project. So basically we're talking sort of huge side extension. going to go up new roof. We're kind of doubling the size of this thing. So really, really exciting project, but alongside having a baby next year.

The house is probably going to complete in January, baby's due in January. You can kind of see where this is going. So anyway, in the midst of this, obviously it made sense to put our house in Sheffield on the market. Now, when I originally offered on the house that we got accepted, the new house, we didn't need to sell to buy that. We obviously would have sold our house, but actually as it happened, it gave us the opportunity to put our house in Sheffield on the market. And I was always pretty confident that that would sell really, really quickly. And it did. It flew off the shelf and

We've not completed on that yet, but I suspect some point next month in October, we probably will complete on that. So what this means is that Gemma and I are expecting a baby at the end of January. We're expecting to complete on a new house in January. That house will be a 12-month project and we're probably going to have sold our house in Sheffield in the next month, at least, probably at the most, next six weeks. So of course we had to think about where we were going to live after sort of October.

And we've ended up having to rent somewhere. So actually we looked for some places to rent. You won't be surprised to know that it was really difficult. There wasn't much on the market. In the end, I struck what I think is a really good deal. And we've got ourselves a detached house. It's not the most amazing thing in the world, but actually they're doing a lot of work for us. We're just going to pay the years rent upfront. And we're just going to settle in for 12 months before we think about anything else. So the idea is mid October, we'll move.

Andy Graham (09:51.992)

to the new rented house. Actually, as it happens, it's only a street over from the house that we're buying, which means that the project, once I get that off the ground, will be just around the corner. I'll probably, best guess is it'll take about nine months to sort of get that project tendered and built out and then ready to move in. So I think by this time next year, like end of September, I'd like to be moved into the new house. This is going to be something that I sort of summarise when I do my January goals, because it's going to be an important one to me. 

Hopefully it all goes through and absolutely I want to make sure that we're getting into the new house as soon as possible, but there's no doubt that it's a big project and I'm going to go through the process of having lots of conversations with new builders and all sorts. So there's a lot of stuff bubbling away there. Gemma's starting a new job, but she'll only be at that new job for about three months before she goes on maternity leave. That's with the current employer, but she's moving to a sort of another branch that they have.

So yeah, lots of change afoot. We're really, really excited, a little bit intrepid, as you can probably imagine. And in the context of all of this, obviously I'm looking at everything that I'm doing and thinking about workload. And you guys know that I talk about balance a lot. So this is a huge piece for me. And I want to make sure that in January, I've got that time to spend with Gemma and our baby and myself as well.

So this time last year we flew off to Canada for our big sort of West coast of America and Central America trip, which was incredible. But you might remember I talked about project 3MA, which is project three months ahead. I spent about three months before we went away, making sure that when I went away, there was more or less nothing to do. I kept my eye on a bit of admin. I answered a few emails. I kept on top of some of the finance stuff. That was pretty much it. So my objective now, one of my core objectives for the rest of the year is to make sure that come January, the end of January next year, I am three months ahead. So that means preparing things like the podcast, all of our content planning in the roadmap. It means that from a project point of view, I need to be as much as possible planned so that everything runs smoothly. Now, inevitably, there's always going to be stuff that needs my attention because of the nature of some of the stuff that I'm doing. Now, when I went away last year, I just had a little bit less on from a development perspective.

Andy Graham (12:13.634)

As you're about to find out, as I come on to talking to you about some of the projects, there is going to be more going on early next year that I simply won't be able to put down completely. But there's definitely stuff that I can box up. I can manage really well. And I think it's just about me being as organised as I possibly can and as disciplined as I possibly can now to make sure that come January, I've got that time I'm prepared and I can still balance things as well as possible. So that's the way that I'm sort of approaching the rest of the year now. So it's definitely going to be a busy sort of autumn and a busy winter for me.

But I think that the real push has been done in summer. I think I'm coming out of, or we're as a business group coming out of that real push. So that momentum should carry us right through towards the end of the year and even into early next year. So that's what's happening outside of the business. That's just the warm up for today. What's been going on in the business then? Well, let's start with the HMO portfolio. To be honest, like I said, the students are all in now. It's all changed over.

I have so much less to think about now that I've sold my investment management group last year. And what that means is actually that this is the really enjoyable period where tenants settle in. There's very little to think about. The rents all went up this year. We were all on the back foot, weren't we, last year as costs started to really increase. There was refinances. So some of the mortgages went up. Maintenance, general sort of improvements. Everything was costing so much more.

And obviously we were on the back foot a little bit with rents, especially with the student stuff. Students are locked into rents almost 18 months, often before, sort of 12 months before they move in. So anyway, the new tenants have moved in, those new rents have kicked in and actually everything is just very, very on a level playing field, which is really, really good. So very few costs in the portfolio at the minute, increased rent, very, very stable. And what this means is it's really quite profitable at the minute. So it's a great opportunity now just to start stashing a bit of cash away, that rainy day fund, just recouping. 

And obviously I've got a lot of stuff on that profits in the portfolio can be used for. So this is that good period where actually the business is systemised and it's operating very, very well. There's actually not a huge amount to think about. Done a small refurb on one of the four beds this summer, spent about 30,000 pounds, predominantly a cosmetic refurb. It was an old HMO, it was the second one I ever did.

Andy Graham (14:32.34)

And yeah, just sort of a top to bottom cosmetic refurb, redecorate, new flooring, new furniture, not one or two walls around, but really just to make a bathroom a little bit bigger, nothing major. And it looks a lot better. Tenants have moved in, they're incredibly happy because all they thought they were getting was just a bit of a redecorate and maybe some new furniture. So they've effectively moved into what looks like a brand new house. I didn't even have time to post anything about that project, but anyway, it's all done and very little to think about now.

We're on the cusp of the letting cycle now. So in fact, I've already in principle let one of the larger HMOs. Everything else will kind of go on the market. I'll start having conversations about the other houses in the next couple of weeks. I suspect that'll all be done, dusted all that well before Christmas. That's certainly been the case for the last few years. And that is absolutely the objective this year for obvious reasons. You don't want to get it all out of the way. All the student tendencies sort of tied up for July 2025 to July, 2026. So really pleased with that stuff going really well. Portfolio's very much a backup and running and kind of going at full till I would say at the minute, which is great full occupancy across the board. So that's what's happening in the HMO biz. 

Let's talk about the development stuff. So it's been a very busy period for us. I mean, this year has just been busy for us in general from a development perspective. So got a few projects on, got our project in Norwich. That's coming towards the end now. Little bit behind schedule, but those 10 units should be finished off before I give you the next business updates. It's starting to look really great externally. Looks fantastic. 

The flats internally are looking brilliant. So we're very excited about that one and getting it over the line now. I'm starting to think about the exit and the best ways of exiting, looking at mortgage rates and things like that at the minute. Still a little bit of turbulence in the market. Still a little bit earlier than I would like as far as interest rates are concerned, but that's not the sort of time you can control, is it?

So that project's going well. We've got the big project down in the Southeast in Kent, our 24 flats conversion, our sort of commercial to residential project. Phase one of that scheme is well underway. Mark's doing a super job of bossing that project. And that should be all wrapped up come February. We've also got phase two of that project, which is 13 units. Now that's the plot of land on the side of this building that we bought. And that came with planning for nine units.

Andy Graham (16:54.924)

We went back in and we amended that planning and actually we've already got our facility to develop that out all sort of agreed, which we're really excited about, but it's subject to the new planning getting approved. And that planning was meant to come through on Friday gone. And the council email does ask for an extension of time, which is kind of like a rhetorical question. the answer is basically you just got to accept that they need to extend it otherwise.

They'll just reject it. So it's going to get extended and I think it's going to go into committee. Not necessarily. And we hope not because there's anything overly contentious about it. It's only a small amendment to the original planning that we've made, but because it's quite a large scheme. So whether that's going to be an October decision or November decision, we're not too sure yet. We really, really want to get started on that part of the scheme, ideally in October, but we're just going to have to wait and see now. So we're kind of just caught in limbo a little bit by planning at the minute. 

So that's something I'll be able to update you on later in the year. So we've got our Sheffield scheme as well, the sawmill. I shared some pictures on Instagram. If you haven't seen it, go and check it out. Mark and Powell and our architects did a superb job of designing. It looks absolutely amazing. And I'm really excited about developing it out. That's a commercial to residential project, just to remind you, part 5,000 square feet of existing sort of commercial warehouse space, bit of land on the side. The new scheme is to convert that into 18 units. So that's in planning now.

It’s been validated, so it's going to be a few months before we find out, fingers crossed. I don't think it's an overly contentious scheme, but you never know. Towards the end of the year, we will know. And I'm already meeting some contractors, having some great conversations, looking for a good firm that can build this out for us in the new year. Now that probably, my best guess is going to be a January start date on that scheme as well. So another big scheme to start in January. It's going to have to carefully think about this and...

As we get a little bit closer to the planning decision, we should have a better idea as to who and when we're going to start it and exactly how we're going to do it and the phasing of the scheme. So we'll wait and see. So that's all on horizon. And then finally, we've been tinkering with an offer on something else at the minute. It's a long play. It's far too early to tell you anything else about it other than we're really excited. Hopefully we can secure it, but I'll update you on that. So that'll be something that keeps us busy for a few years, 2025, 2026.

Andy Graham (19:20.832)

I would think at the very least. So I'll come back to you on that one, but plenty going on. of course, loads of stuff in the middle of all this, lots of conversations about finance and development, finance, investor finance, refinances at the end, all sorts of stuff happening. So keeping us really, really busy. And you know what? I'm really, really, really enjoying it. Developing is so different to buying and investing in HMOs. There's so much going on at any one point and so many more variables. It's kind of crazy at times but I'm really, really enjoying it. And we're a superb team, so great achieving some really good stuff. So I'm very, very excited about what we're able to do for the rest of the year and into next year. I'll keep you updated on all that stuff though. 

So from a general business point of view, like I said earlier, the summer period is that time where I think we can kind of put our foot down a little bit. We can get ahead of the curve. So actually we've used summer and all of that energy to do exactly that. So you might've seen the HMO community, which is sort of part of our ecosystem alongside the HMO roadmap, HMO FastTrack, my consultancy program. We really try to pull the community to the forefront because we're actually becoming more and more sort of a product. If you think about the roadmap, more and more of a product created by the community for the community. Originally it was obviously built by me, but the plan was always to create something that our community could contribute to. So it wasn't biased in any way. 

It was incredibly diverse from people to locations to strategies to experience. And that is absolutely what it has become. And the last couple of months, we've really been trying to push that even further. So we've been making a lot of sort of gains in the partnerships that we've got and are able to offer to you guys in our community. So for a while we've had a number of partnerships like Ellie, our broker, who's been doing some great stuff with our community members, helping so many people with their mortgages and specialist lending products.

We've had insurances for a while. We've had other products and we've really been enhancing that. So we've added lots of new partners, which we're super, super, super excited about. And it's really helping you guys, our community members fill the gaps. It really is your power team. Now behind the scenes, there's a lot of work that goes into that. We're very careful and I'm particularly cautious about who we partner with. It's going to be the right people with the right attitude, the right experience. We need to see that kind of evidence is there.

Andy Graham (21:40.972)

I’m really, really protective about who we recommend you guys to go and work with. So we've been carefully piecing together our power team and that's been a hugely important part of what we wanted to do this year. And we executed it behind the scenes. All of the agreements have got to be negotiated from a commercial aspect with our new partners. We've got to create lots of new landing pages for everybody. We've got to do lots of paperwork with everybody. We've got to advertise it to everybody. So there's loads of stuff going on.

But I think as a team, we've done really, really well at doing that. And the feedback has been incredible. And it has just been insane. The number of enquiries that our new partners have had through our platforms for our new partner services. It's been so great to see it. It's so great to listen to your feedback as well. Cause obviously our partners are doing such a great job for you and they're helping you do things faster and more efficiently and at better costs. So I'm really, really proud of that. So that was a key part of what we wanted to do in the community and in the roadmap this year.

One of the other things that we've done as well is because January is going to be a really busy period for me, I knew that towards the end of the year, I would be putting my consultancy program on pause from the perspective of new members. So actually what I said to my team is look through September, we will advertise a couple more spaces. I've taken a few more people onto my program. And because my program has a minimum six month commitment,

It's almost impossible to get results before six months anyway. That would take me right through until March next year, which meant we didn't have to then think about bringing anybody else onto the program through October, November, December, and January. It was something that we could tie up now. We knew exactly who we were working with until sort of March next year. And that's exactly what we've done. Actually, for the first time in a long time, we sent some emails out to our database, which is we've got thousands of you guys on our database.

I'm in a really, really highly engaged database. And actually we didn't really think about the problem we might have if lots of people came back and were interested. And actually that is what happened. So that's been a bit tricky for me to manage recently, but I had lots of great calls and actually with Jake and Lucy, who are our other mentors at the HMO roadmap, we've been able to service everybody who's contacted us, which is fantastic.

Andy Graham (23:57.966)

So that was a big piece of work. was a key piece that we had sort of planned all year. We were just finding the right time to do it. And actually it's gone really well. Feedback's been incredible. And I'm so incredibly excited about the people that have joined my program that I'm going to be working with over the next six months. People who sold their businesses, people knowing some high flying corporate roles, who've had enough, what I can switch over and build their own business. People with existing portfolios really want to sharpen the blade. Some really cool stuff. The stuff that I really like to get my teeth stuck into. 

So that's been exciting. And of course we've just been continuing to improve the volume of content and the way that we deliver content inside the HMO roadmap. And we've just been refining lots of stuff. So we've been working on some SEO stuff in the background. We've really just been, I suppose, doing a lot of housekeeping, really trying to just brush things up, making everything that we've currently got as good as we possibly can, ironing out any problems, running a digital program. 

There's always things that are happening behind the scenes that we've got to tend to, so we've been really kind of just working on that. And the idea is that we want to run into the new year with everything just on absolute autopilot. So that for me is a big part of project three months ahead. So everything from how we manage enquiries to solving problems, some of those problems could be payment related. There could be enquiries about our services. They could be sort of issues with tech that's broken for some reason, anything that we can possibly automate, eliminate, delegate, or I can delegate and simplify. That is exactly what we've been doing. 

So all of it with the idea and the objective of helping me get three months ahead next year. And look, when you're building businesses, guys, this is absolutely how you have to tackle it. If you don't strategically look at your businesses like this and do these sorts of things, they just run away from you. They drift. You end up dealing with more and more and more because you can do it because you think you can do it better than everybody else.

And actually you get so busy, you then struggle to find the time to get un-busy. And I found that really difficult. Of course, I'd always rather be searching for deals and on the building sites and working with my mentees. But actually the reality is running several businesses. You can't, you've got to be actually working on the strategy. And that is so much of what good business is about. It's about prioritising your time. The excuse of being too busy is just an excuse. That is all it is. I say to everybody, it's a choice.

Andy Graham (26:23.64)

How you choose to spend your time is entirely up to you. If you want to do this instead of that, if you want to focus on dealing with the minutiae of your business, rather than getting up first thing and dealing with the strategy and how you're to take the next big step, that's up to you. But my advice as a business owner is you should obviously be doing the latter. You should be bringing other people and services and solutions, programs, processes, whatever it is to make sure that you are as efficient and streamlined as you possibly can. 

So that is probably a good summary of what's been going on over the last few months. A great couple of months, performance wise, financially, probably. In fact, I would say, yeah, definitely our best quarter or three months to date ever from a general balance point of view. Like I said, really enjoyed the last few months. It's been so good. And strangely, I don't feel too stressed about what's around the corner. I mean, like the whole volume of work, not just having a baby. mean, just the whole volume of work and managing, selling the house, buying a new place, a couple of big projects coming on. And what I've started to realise is that as my experience has developed, I'm developing other skills and traits as well. And the ability just to manage more stress is definitely one of them. When I was a bit younger, I would have struggled. This sort of stuff really would have overwhelmed me. I would have struggled to compartmentalise it. And now I find it a lot easier to compartmentalise stuff as well. So that's kind of where we're at at the minutes. 

And the next few months will be, I think, a gradual wind down so that not a wind down from current work, but a wind down from new work, of new ventures and new programs. By finding the solutions to everything so that come the new year, there's as much support as possible around me to make sure that we actually then deliver on things. And I guess my next business update will probably be around, where are we now? September, maybe there'll be another business update before the end of the year. 

So, but we are absolutely steaming towards the end of the year guys. It is going to come around so, so quickly. I hope you found today's episode useful. Like I say, these episodes are here just to keep you up to speed with what I'm doing, just to help make sure that you guys know that I'm not just here on the podcast talking the talk, which I think a lot of people these days on social media are doing. I'm actually out there every single day, busting my gut, trying to build the businesses. And the really cool thing is now you know more than ever why I'm doing it.

Andy Graham (28:53.196)

I'm so excited. Never has anything just felt as meant to be as it kind of does at the minute, which is really, really exciting. So yeah, busy times ahead, exciting times ahead, no doubt challenging times ahead, but yeah, doing my best to prepare for it all. That's it for today's episode guys. If you have got any questions about anything that I've talked about in today's episode, maybe something that you resonate with, maybe similar challenges that you're facing, maybe you just want to share some advice and tips for me, please come and let me know, share your ideas and thoughts and guidance inside the HMO community. 

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Andy Graham (31:13.582)

It gives us that warm, fuzzy feeling inside. There's so much work that goes on behind the scenes, not just from me, but also my team, just to make sure that every podcast is done. We're coming up for four years on the show. I think in two weeks, we will be celebrating our fourth year, which is insane. Couldn't have done it without you guys, but if you've got 30 seconds to leave a really quick review, you can do it on either Apple podcasts or Spotify. It would honestly mean the world to me and my team. And it helps us continue to bring great guests onto the show. That's it guys, thanks again for tuning in and don't forget that I'll be right back here in the very same place next week, so please join me then for another installment of the HMO Podcast.